Consider a hypothetical machine with 3 pages of physical memory, 5 pages of virtual memory, and < A, B, C, D, A, B, E, A, B, C, D, E, B, A, B > as the stream of page references by an application. If P and Q are the number of page faults that the application would incur with FIFO and LRU page replacement algorithms respectively. then (P,Q) = ______. (Assuming enough space for storing 3 page frames)